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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] The British Dream
[I] The British Dream [message #276140] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 05:42
steelcat  
Listening to the radio this morning, I realised that that there are an
awful lot of American soft-rock songs about teenage guys who have something
disasterous happen to them - or they just get bored - so they climb on
their Harley Davidson - a make of motorized bicycle I understand - and
drive off to find the American Dream, but nothing similar in British music.

So I wrote one.

I'll leave you to make up your own tune, but you know how they go. Just
imagine Springsteen or Farnham singing it, that'll give you the idea.

My girl, had walked out on me,
Left me all on my own,
I could've tried, to bring her back,
But I didn't want to fuss and moan,

I lay in bed, thinkin' to myself,
I don't know what it's all about,
I had to do somethin' there and then,
I had to just get out...

So I...

Got up, I went to work,
Had myself a cup of tea,
Ate sandwiches for my lunch,
Had a biscuit break at half-past three,

Got the train home at quarter-past five,
Watched the telly 'til after ten,
Then I got up, the following mornin'
And did the whole thing over again,
All over again...
All over again...
All over again...

Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
"This is what I do darlin'... this is what I do."
Malcolm Reynolds - Serenity
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #276269 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 12:37
Torak  
The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> Listening to the radio this morning, I realised that that there are an
> awful lot of American soft-rock songs about teenage guys who have something
> disasterous happen to them - or they just get bored - so they climb on
> their Harley Davidson - a make of motorized bicycle I understand - and
> drive off to find the American Dream, but nothing similar in British music.
>
> So I wrote one.
>
> I'll leave you to make up your own tune, but you know how they go. Just
> imagine Springsteen or Farnham singing it, that'll give you the idea.
>
> My girl, had walked out on me,
> Left me all on my own,
> I could've tried, to bring her back,
> But I didn't want to fuss and moan,
>
> I lay in bed, thinkin' to myself,
> I don't know what it's all about,
> I had to do somethin' there and then,
> I had to just get out...
>
> So I...
>
> Got up, I went to work,
> Had myself a cup of tea,
> Ate sandwiches for my lunch,
> Had a biscuit break at half-past three,
>
> Got the train home at quarter-past five,
> Watched the telly 'til after ten,
> Then I got up, the following mornin'
> And did the whole thing over again,
> All over again...
> All over again...
> All over again...

Never mind that, will there be tea and biscuits?

(Oh, and nice one)
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #276274 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 12:48
Brenda  
The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> Listening to the radio this morning, I realised that that there are an
> awful lot of American soft-rock songs about teenage guys who have
> something disasterous happen to them - or they just get bored - so
> they climb on their Harley Davidson - a make of motorized bicycle I
> understand - and drive off to find the American Dream, but nothing
> similar in British music.

HD is nearer to a motorised wheelbarrow.

The Brit teenage bloke equiv. should be the Vauxhall Nova with blue lights
(one not working) and the megaphone exhaust (rattling a bit) and the big
sound system (Full volume kills the engine ...) and going in search of the
British Dream would involve going down the carpark at Tescos/Aldi/Waitrose
and doing three loopies!

> So I wrote one.
>
[snip (sorry)]


--
Ed.
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #276309 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 14:27
bbottorff  
> I'll leave you to make up your own tune, but you know how they go. Just
> imagine Springsteen or Farnham singing it, that'll give you the idea.

I think this scans well to "A Day In the Life". Kinda ironic, when you
think about it.

> My girl, had walked out on me,
> Left me all on my own,
> I could've tried, to bring her back,
> But I didn't want to fuss and moan,
>
> I lay in bed, thinkin' to myself,
> I don't know what it's all about,
> I had to do somethin' there and then,
> I had to just get out...
>
> So I...
>
> Got up, I went to work,
> Had myself a cup of tea,
> Ate sandwiches for my lunch,
> Had a biscuit break at half-past three,
>
> Got the train home at quarter-past five,
> Watched the telly 'til after ten,
> Then I got up, the following mornin'
> And did the whole thing over again,
> All over again...
> All over again...
> All over again...
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #276310 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 14:35
Gift  
"The Stainless Steel Cat" <steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C0A586559668FFC1B [at] 192.168.0.2...
> Listening to the radio this morning, I realised that that there are an
> awful lot of American soft-rock songs about teenage guys who have
> something
> disasterous happen to them - or they just get bored - so they climb on
> their Harley Davidson - a make of motorized bicycle I understand - and
> drive off to find the American Dream, but nothing similar in British
> music.

We don't have any of those songs in Belgium either, but that's probably
because you're not allowed to drive very fast. Kind of takes away the kick.
Oh, and you can't ride to find the Belgian dream: you're out of the country
before you know it, so it's better just to walk.

(leaving aside the fact that you would need more than a motorcycle to go and
find the American Dream, although I think it's possible to drive to - let's
say - Irak)
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #276316 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 14:35
bbottorff  
Boyd Bottorff <bbottorff [at] nomail.com> wrote:

> I think this scans well to "A Day In the Life". Kinda ironic, when you
> think about it.

Oh, this is embarassing. I got the songs wrong. How could I mess up
the Beatles?
Re: The British Dream [message #276348 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 15:47
Count Louis  
The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> Listening to the radio this morning, I realised that that there are an
> awful lot of American soft-rock songs about teenage guys who have something
> disasterous happen to them - or they just get bored - so they climb on
> their Harley Davidson - a make of motorized bicycle I understand - and
> drive off to find the American Dream, but nothing similar in British music.
>
> So I wrote one.
>
> I'll leave you to make up your own tune, but you know how they go. Just
> imagine Springsteen or Farnham singing it, that'll give you the idea.
>
> My girl, had walked out on me,
> Left me all on my own,
> I could've tried, to bring her back,
> But I didn't want to fuss and moan,
>
> I lay in bed, thinkin' to myself,
> I don't know what it's all about,
> I had to do somethin' there and then,
> I had to just get out...
>
> So I...
>
> Got up, I went to work,
> Had myself a cup of tea,
> Ate sandwiches for my lunch,
> Had a biscuit break at half-past three,
>
> Got the train home at quarter-past five,
> Watched the telly 'til after ten,
> Then I got up, the following mornin'
> And did the whole thing over again,
> All over again...
> All over again...
> All over again...

Myahhaa.... it's tempting to write 'The Australian Dream'..

It would probably go to the tune of 'Summer of 69', 'Khe Sanh' or 'Run
To Paradise'.

Maybe a mixture of all. Could be interesting... might get onto that if
I get a sudden attack of swotvac boredom.

~ C.L.
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #276379 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 16:42
Torak  
Gift wrote:
> "The Stainless Steel Cat" <steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:C0A586559668FFC1B [at] 192.168.0.2...
>
>>Listening to the radio this morning, I realised that that there are an
>>awful lot of American soft-rock songs about teenage guys who have
>>something
>>disasterous happen to them - or they just get bored - so they climb on
>>their Harley Davidson - a make of motorized bicycle I understand - and
>>drive off to find the American Dream, but nothing similar in British
>>music.
>
>
> We don't have any of those songs in Belgium either, but that's probably
> because you're not allowed to drive very fast.

Must be a different Belgium from the one I lived in, then, or drivers
have calmed down a lot... My Dad once drove my drum kit down from WSL to
a gig in Luxembourg in under three hours, apparently averaging 100 mph...

And in towns... well, you haven't lived until you've had a mad Belgian
driver rocket across a red light four inches ahead or behind you,
leaving a trail of tyre smoke in his wake... ;-)

Or what about the cabs, who think the urban speed limit is a minimum?
Re: The British Dream [message #276859 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 19:00
Clare  
Torak wrote:

> Gift wrote:
> > "The Stainless Steel Cat" <steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:C0A586559668FFC1B [at] 192.168.0.2...
> >
> >>Listening to the radio this morning, I realised that that there are an
> >>awful lot of American soft-rock songs about teenage guys who have
> >>something
> >>disasterous happen to them - or they just get bored - so they climb on
> >>their Harley Davidson - a make of motorized bicycle I understand - and
> >>drive off to find the American Dream, but nothing similar in British
> >>music.
> >
> >
> > We don't have any of those songs in Belgium either, but that's probably
> > because you're not allowed to drive very fast.
>
> Must be a different Belgium from the one I lived in, then, or drivers
> have calmed down a lot... My Dad once drove my drum kit down from WSL to
> a gig in Luxembourg in under three hours, apparently averaging 100 mph...
>
> And in towns... well, you haven't lived until you've had a mad Belgian
> driver rocket across a red light four inches ahead or behind you,
> leaving a trail of tyre smoke in his wake... ;-)
>
> Or what about the cabs, who think the urban speed limit is a minimum?

The motorways in Belgium have plenty of signs warning against bad
driving, and they are fairly good to drive on. However, there was one
when we were coming back that was terrible. I don't like driving the
campervan around towns, because I seem to have extra trouble finding
first gear sometimes, which gets worse the more Tim swears at me! So I
drive the motorways, where I can get into fourth and then just trundle
calmly along at 60 mph (any faster gives you shaken baby syndrome) and
count "frites" signs (in Belgium - in Germany it's picturesque
castles).

Well, we were heading for Gent/Ghent (it's like that on my map!) to try
to get to Geraadsbergen. That might be misspelt, but I was reading it
in the dark in a campervan at 40mph... Anyway, I suddenly found the
motorway turning left very tightly without warning, and as I turned the
van, axles nearly popping out of the wheels cartoon style, the road
became practically a farm track, with a coach turning into the end of
it - not 100 yards away - using my lane to swing around! I missed the
coach, because I stood up on the brakes. A 1978 VW van does not have
ABS or assisted steering...

I turned right toward Gent/Ghent on the single carriageway that the
coach had just vacated, and parked up. We decided that as I am much
better at navigating and these stupid things always happen when I am
driving, we'd swap. It's easier on the underwear rations!
Re: The British Dream [message #276887 ] Fr, 02 Juni 2006 20:34
rich hammett  
Minun olisi pitänyt tietää, olisi pitänyt tietää,
olisi pitänyt tietää KUKA SINÄ OLET, Count Louis:

As somebody once said, "Hanging on in quiet desperation
is the English way."

rich

> The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
>> Listening to the radio this morning, I realised that that there are an
>> awful lot of American soft-rock songs about teenage guys who have something
>> disasterous happen to them - or they just get bored - so they climb on
>> their Harley Davidson - a make of motorized bicycle I understand - and
>> drive off to find the American Dream, but nothing similar in British music.
>>
>> So I wrote one.
>>
>> I'll leave you to make up your own tune, but you know how they go. Just
>> imagine Springsteen or Farnham singing it, that'll give you the idea.
>>
>> My girl, had walked out on me,
>> Left me all on my own,
>> I could've tried, to bring her back,
>> But I didn't want to fuss and moan,
>>
>> I lay in bed, thinkin' to myself,
>> I don't know what it's all about,
>> I had to do somethin' there and then,
>> I had to just get out...
>>
>> So I...
>>
>> Got up, I went to work,
>> Had myself a cup of tea,
>> Ate sandwiches for my lunch,
>> Had a biscuit break at half-past three,
>>
>> Got the train home at quarter-past five,
>> Watched the telly 'til after ten,
>> Then I got up, the following mornin'
>> And did the whole thing over again,
>> All over again...
>> All over again...
>> All over again...

> Myahhaa.... it's tempting to write 'The Australian Dream'..

> It would probably go to the tune of 'Summer of 69', 'Khe Sanh' or 'Run
> To Paradise'.

> Maybe a mixture of all. Could be interesting... might get onto that if
> I get a sudden attack of swotvac boredom.

> ~ C.L.


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+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
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Re: [I] The British Dream [message #277209 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 12:02
Pudde Fjord  
Torak wrote:
> The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
>> Listening to the radio this morning, I realised that that there are an
>> awful lot of American soft-rock songs about teenage guys who have
>> something
>> disasterous happen to them - or they just get bored - so they climb on
>> their Harley Davidson - a make of motorized bicycle I understand - and
>> drive off to find the American Dream, but nothing similar in British
>> music.
>>
>> So I wrote one.
>>
>> I'll leave you to make up your own tune, but you know how they go. Just
>> imagine Springsteen or Farnham singing it, that'll give you the idea.
>>
>> My girl, had walked out on me,
>> Left me all on my own,
>> I could've tried, to bring her back,
>> But I didn't want to fuss and moan,
>>
>> I lay in bed, thinkin' to myself,
>> I don't know what it's all about,
>> I had to do somethin' there and then,
>> I had to just get out...
>>
>> So I...
>>
>> Got up, I went to work,
>> Had myself a cup of tea,
>> Ate sandwiches for my lunch,
>> Had a biscuit break at half-past three,
>>
>> Got the train home at quarter-past five,
>> Watched the telly 'til after ten,
>> Then I got up, the following mornin'
>> And did the whole thing over again,
>> All over again...
>> All over again...
>> All over again...
>
> Never mind that, will there be tea and biscuits?
>
That's in the break of half-past three...

Pudde.
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #277238 ] Sa, 03 Juni 2006 12:57
Pudde Fjord  
Boyd Bottorff wrote:
> Boyd Bottorff <bbottorff [at] nomail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think this scans well to "A Day In the Life". Kinda ironic, when you
>> think about it.
>
> Oh, this is embarassing. I got the songs wrong. How could I mess up
> the Beatles?

You were thinking of the *interlude* in "A Day In the Life". It's not
listed as a separate song.

Pudde.
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #286883 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 08:17
Ross  
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:57:52 +0200, Torak wrote in
<SlYfg.1308$YI3.1209 [at] amstwist00>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> Gift wrote:
[...]
> > We don't have any of those songs in Belgium either, but that's probably
> > because you're not allowed to drive very fast.
>
> Must be a different Belgium from the one I lived in, then, or drivers
> have calmed down a lot... My Dad once drove my drum kit down from WSL to
> a gig in Luxembourg in under three hours, apparently averaging 100 mph...
>
> And in towns... well, you haven't lived until you've had a mad Belgian
> driver rocket across a red light four inches ahead or behind you,
> leaving a trail of tyre smoke in his wake... ;-)
>
> Or what about the cabs, who think the urban speed limit is a minimum?

Or the police in Antwerpen. I've never quite recovered from watching
half-a-dozen police cars do a v-formation all-lanes (on both sides of
the road) exceedingly fast blast down the flyover (Italielei?)
straight at oncoming traffic.

What really impressed me was the way they peeled off into separate
lanes (including the access roads running alongside the main road) as
if it had all been choreographed.


Oh, and the fact they didn't hit anything.
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Re: [I] The British Dream [message #286904 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 10:00
Torak  
Ross wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:57:52 +0200, Torak wrote in
> <SlYfg.1308$YI3.1209 [at] amstwist00>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
>
>>Gift wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>>We don't have any of those songs in Belgium either, but that's probably
>>>because you're not allowed to drive very fast.
>>
>>Must be a different Belgium from the one I lived in, then, or drivers
>>have calmed down a lot... My Dad once drove my drum kit down from WSL to
>>a gig in Luxembourg in under three hours, apparently averaging 100 mph...
>>
>>And in towns... well, you haven't lived until you've had a mad Belgian
>>driver rocket across a red light four inches ahead or behind you,
>>leaving a trail of tyre smoke in his wake... ;-)
>>
>>Or what about the cabs, who think the urban speed limit is a minimum?
>
>
> Or the police in Antwerpen. I've never quite recovered from watching
> half-a-dozen police cars do a v-formation all-lanes (on both sides of
> the road) exceedingly fast blast down the flyover (Italielei?)
> straight at oncoming traffic.
>
> What really impressed me was the way they peeled off into separate
> lanes (including the access roads running alongside the main road) as
> if it had all been choreographed.
>
>
> Oh, and the fact they didn't hit anything.

Sounds like the Gendarmerie. They're the ones with fancy vector lights
on the roof, and MP5s in the back. They like doing things like that. :-)
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #286952 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 14:34
CeltiKaos  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:00:12 +0200, Torak wrote:

> Sounds like the Gendarmerie. They're the ones with fancy vector lights on
> the roof, and MP5s in the back. They like doing things like that. :-)

I got twitchy (coming from a country where the police are *not* armed as a
rule when I went through Amsterdam back in 1997. One of my first sights
was a local policeman with an HK MP5K[1] strapped across his chest!

Kind regards,

Julian

[1] Same submachine gun issued as standard to the SAS[2]
[2] No not the Swedish Airline Service, their meals aren't that bad :)
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #287045 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 18:58
Torak  
CeltiKaos wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:00:12 +0200, Torak wrote:
>
>
>>Sounds like the Gendarmerie. They're the ones with fancy vector lights on
>>the roof, and MP5s in the back. They like doing things like that. :-)
>
>
> I got twitchy (coming from a country where the police are *not* armed as a
> rule when I went through Amsterdam back in 1997. One of my first sights
> was a local policeman with an HK MP5K[1] strapped across his chest!
>
> [1] Same submachine gun issued as standard to the SAS[2]

Actually, "SAS standard issue" is rather an oxymoron. That said, they do
like the MP5 family. But the MP5K is usually used mostly for close
protection (bodyguarding) assignments. Police usually use the MP5A
series, which is available with both collapsing and solid stocks...

....and I just realised that it's almost certain that nobody here's
particularly interested. Ah well.

> [2] No not the Swedish Airline Service, their meals aren't that bad :)

Isn't it "Scandinavian Airway Systems" or something? Something along
those lines, anyway.
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #287153 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 23:25
Ross  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:00:12 +0200, Torak wrote in
<na9jg.2019$YI3.502 [at] amstwist00>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> Ross wrote:
> > On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:57:52 +0200, Torak wrote in
> > <SlYfg.1308$YI3.1209 [at] amstwist00>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> >
[...]
> >>And in towns... well, you haven't lived until you've had a mad Belgian
> >>driver rocket across a red light four inches ahead or behind you,
> >>leaving a trail of tyre smoke in his wake... ;-)
> >>
> >>Or what about the cabs, who think the urban speed limit is a minimum?
> >
> > Or the police in Antwerpen. I've never quite recovered from watching
> > half-a-dozen police cars do a v-formation all-lanes (on both sides of
> > the road) exceedingly fast blast down the flyover (Italielei?)
> > straight at oncoming traffic.
> >
> > What really impressed me was the way they peeled off into separate
> > lanes (including the access roads running alongside the main road) as
> > if it had all been choreographed.
[...]
> Sounds like the Gendarmerie. They're the ones with fancy vector lights
> on the roof, and MP5s in the back. They like doing things like that. :-)

Could well have been. It was well before the idea of combining the
various forces had been mooted, and at the time the only thing I
noticed about the vehicles was that one car was fitted with US-style
howlers rather than the usual two-tone air horns the rest had.


One of these days I shall get hold of a set of the Dutch four-tone
horns used by the ambulances, and fit them to one of our trains
- just to confuse people. ;-)))
--
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Re: [I] The British Dream [message #287163 ] Mo, 12 Juni 2006 23:39
Ross  
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:58:42 +0200, Torak wrote in
<e3hjg.2052$YI3.1550 [at] amstwist00>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> CeltiKaos wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:00:12 +0200, Torak wrote:
> >
> >>Sounds like the Gendarmerie. They're the ones with fancy vector lights on
> >>the roof, and MP5s in the back. They like doing things like that. :-)
> >
> > I got twitchy (coming from a country where the police are *not* armed as a
> > rule when I went through Amsterdam back in 1997. One of my first sights
> > was a local policeman with an HK MP5K[1] strapped across his chest!
> >
> > [1] Same submachine gun issued as standard to the SAS[2]
>
> Actually, "SAS standard issue" is rather an oxymoron. That said, they do
> like the MP5 family. But the MP5K is usually used mostly for close
> protection (bodyguarding) assignments. Police usually use the MP5A
> series, which is available with both collapsing and solid stocks...
>
> ...and I just realised that it's almost certain that nobody here's
> particularly interested. Ah well.

Don't the police generally have their versions restricted to single
shot, or is that just a UK thing, or is it just an UL even when
referring to the UK police?

I know nothing about the SAS beyond the "fact" (probably another UL)
that they prefer to double tap twice, for effect.



[1],[2] NMfeetneet
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Re: [I] Toys for boys (was: The British Dream) [message #287172 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 00:09
Orjan Westin  
Ross wrote:
>
> I know nothing about the SAS beyond the "fact" (probably another UL)
> that they prefer to double tap twice, for effect.

I can't talk for SAS, but that's how I was taught to use a machine gun
(the good ole Husquarna M45B, alleged favourite of US Navy Seals).

Well, one to the side as warning, one somewhere on the torso to stop
them (it's not very accurate), and if that didn't work, double shot,
pause to estimate effect, then double shot again.

Of course, the M45 is a 9mm gun, and the ammo is rather lightly loaded
(or whatever the term is for a small amount of powder), so I imagine
it's harder to shake of than something that goes straight through you.

Let's see... Is the subject line still appropriate? Nah.

Orjan
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Re: [I] The British Dream [message #287191 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 00:47
Torak  
Ross wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:58:42 +0200, Torak wrote in
>>CeltiKaos wrote:
>>>
>>>I got twitchy (coming from a country where the police are *not* armed as a
>>>rule when I went through Amsterdam back in 1997. One of my first sights
>>>was a local policeman with an HK MP5K[1] strapped across his chest!
>>>
>>>[1] Same submachine gun issued as standard to the SAS[2]
>>
>>Actually, "SAS standard issue" is rather an oxymoron. That said, they do
>>like the MP5 family. But the MP5K is usually used mostly for close
>>protection (bodyguarding) assignments. Police usually use the MP5A
>>series, which is available with both collapsing and solid stocks...
>>
>>...and I just realised that it's almost certain that nobody here's
>>particularly interested. Ah well.
>
> Don't the police generally have their versions restricted to single
> shot, or is that just a UK thing, or is it just an UL even when
> referring to the UK police?

Certainly a lot of US police forces have weapons restricted to
semi-auto. I'm not sure about British police forces, but I've certainly
seen officers with G36 and HK53 carbines fitted with the full-auto
enabled trigger groups.

> I know nothing about the SAS beyond the "fact" (probably another UL)
> that they prefer to double tap twice, for effect.

Half and half. They do use the double tap, but they also - according to
certain verified sources which will, at their request, remain anonymous
- practice trigger control in automatic. Hey, if *I* can manage to fire
double or triple shots in full auto, I'm fairly sure the SAS can. :-)

Their other popular system is to keep firing until the target's stopped
twitching, on the principle that then he can't push any buttons.

> [1],[2] NMfeetneet

Not mine either.
Re: [I] Toys for boys [message #287197 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 00:50
Torak  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> Ross wrote:
>
>>I know nothing about the SAS beyond the "fact" (probably another UL)
>>that they prefer to double tap twice, for effect.
>
>
> I can't talk for SAS, but that's how I was taught to use a machine gun
> (the good ole Husquarna M45B, alleged favourite of US Navy Seals).
>
> Well, one to the side as warning, one somewhere on the torso to stop
> them (it's not very accurate), and if that didn't work, double shot,
> pause to estimate effect, then double shot again.
>
> Of course, the M45 is a 9mm gun, and the ammo is rather lightly loaded
> (or whatever the term is for a small amount of powder), so I imagine
> it's harder to shake of than something that goes straight through you.

The most recent round - I think it's the M/59 or something, but *really*
don't quote me on that[1] - used for the M/45B is a particularly hot
load, and has been cited as the reason the armed forces chose the Glock
over the Sig as the official sidearm; the Sig wasn't designed for the
potent round, so apparently started splitting in trials.

I should point out that I have no references for this except "it's what
I was told by the Major".


[1] - I was issued a 5.56mm weapon. Pistols and SMGs weren't my job.
Re: [I] Toys for boys (was: The British Dream) [message #287213 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 01:23
Steve Rogers  
"Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote in message
news:4f672vF1hn4k1U1 [at] individual.net...
> Ross wrote:
>>
>> I know nothing about the SAS beyond the "fact" (probably another UL)
>> that they prefer to double tap twice, for effect.
>
> I can't talk for SAS, but that's how I was taught to use a machine gun
> (the good ole Husquarna M45B, alleged favourite of US Navy Seals).
>

Seems to be, from what I heard, the preferred method for the SAS but
more as a "make sure" approach, how accurate that is though I have no
idea having only once come into contact with them when I had to do a
courier run to their base, and I didn't get much chance to hang around
and chat unfortunately.

Steve
Re: [I] The British Dream [message #287222 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 01:49
CeltiKaos  
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:47:20 +0200, Torak wrote:

> Their other popular system is to keep firing until the target's stopped
> twitching, on the principle that then he can't push any buttons.

Same as Legolas in The Two Towers then.. sounds like a plan to me :)

Julian
Re: [I] Toys for boys (was: The British Dream) [message #287241 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 03:10
Romeo  
Orjan Westin wrote:
> Ross wrote:
>>
>> I know nothing about the SAS beyond the "fact" (probably another
>> UL) that they prefer to double tap twice, for effect.
>
> I can't talk for SAS, but that's how I was taught to use a machine
> gun (the good ole Husquarna M45B, alleged favourite of US Navy
> Seals).

Double tap is fairly standard cop stuff, because under stress, it's as
likely you'll miss as hit. If you have to fire again, it's another two
shots--in military combat, I can see it being a more aggressive way of doing
things.

Romeo
--
Never avert your eyes - Kurosawa
Re: [I] Toys for boys (was: The British Dream) [message #287299 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 07:28
steelcat  
In article <4f672vF1hn4k1U1 [at] individual.net>,
"Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:

>Ross wrote:
>>
>> I know nothing about the SAS beyond the "fact" (probably another UL)
>> that they prefer to double tap twice, for effect.

Double-tap? Twice? Wouldn't that mean the screw wouldn't be flush with the
wood's surface any more?

Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
Deliberately misunderstanding for comic effect since 1994
Re: [I] Toys for boys [message #287319 ] Di, 13 Juni 2006 09:53
Torak  
The Stainless Steel Cat wrote:
> "Orjan Westin" <nospam [at] cunobaros.com> wrote:
>>Ross wrote:
>>
>>>I know nothing about the SAS beyond the "fact" (probably another UL)
>>>that they prefer to double tap twice, for effect.
>
> Double-tap? Twice? Wouldn't that mean the screw wouldn't be flush with the
> wood's surface any more?

I'd generally use a screwdriver for screws, but that might just be me.
Re: [I] Toys for boys (was: The British Dream) [message #287733 ] Mi, 14 Juni 2006 21:09
Ross  
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:28:07 +0100, The Stainless Steel Cat wrote in
<C0B40B77966818543 [at] 192.168.0.2>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
[...]
> >Ross wrote:
> >>
> >> I know nothing about the SAS beyond the "fact" (probably another UL)
> >> that they prefer to double tap twice, for effect.
>
> Double-tap? Twice? Wouldn't that mean the screw wouldn't be flush with the
> wood's surface any more?

Depends if it's a screw as supplied and fitted by Maintrain (railway
"maintenance" organisation). If it is, it'll probably still be just
far enough above the surface that you can catch your nail in it...
--
Ross, in Lincoln, most likely being cynical or sarcastic, as ever.
Reply-to will bounce. Replace the junk-trap with my name to e-mail me.

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Re: [I] Toys for boys (was: The British Dream) [message #288062 ] Do, 15 Juni 2006 20:31
CeltiKaos  
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:09:51 +0100, Ross wrote:

> If it is, it'll probably still be just far
> enough above the surface that you can catch your nail in it...

Or your train :)
Re: [I] Toys for boys (was: The British Dream) [message #288493 ] Fr, 16 Juni 2006 22:53
Ross  
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:31:09 +0100, CeltiKaos wrote in
<pan.2006.06.15.18.31.09.61312 [at] pratchett.removethatbit.kaotic.co.uk>,
seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:09:51 +0100, Ross wrote:
>
> > If it is, it'll probably still be just far
> > enough above the surface that you can catch your nail in it...
>
> Or your train :)

Fortunately Maintrain only maintrain tains. [1]

They aren't allowed anywhere near the track, for which we all give
thanks. If they were, people would be praising Jarvis as being utter
perfection...



[1] They certainly don't maintain trains.
--
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Reply-to will bounce. Replace the junk-trap with my name to e-mail me.

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Re: [I] Toys for boys (was: The British Dream) [message #288757 ] Sa, 17 Juni 2006 16:46
Steve Rogers  
"Ross" <junk.trap [at] ross-mail.me.uk> wrote in message
news:ea5692lj5pt70nqi5fng9054keil31soba [at] 4ax.com...

<snip>

> [...] If they were, people would be praising Jarvis as being utter
> perfection...
>

Now there *is* a decidedly scary thought.

Steve
Re: [I] Toys for boys (was: The British Dream) [message #289209 ] So, 18 Juni 2006 22:33
Ross  
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:46:36 +0100, Steve Rogers wrote in
<e714k9$1hcu$1 [at] mud.stack.nl>, seen in alt.fan.pratchett:
> "Ross" <junk.trap [at] ross-mail.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:ea5692lj5pt70nqi5fng9054keil31soba [at] 4ax.com...
>
> <snip>
> > [...] If they were, people would be praising Jarvis as being utter
> > perfection...
>
> Now there *is* a decidedly scary thought.

Quite.

And I have to put up with the rolling stock they claim to maintain.
:-(
--
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Reply-to will bounce. Replace the junk-trap with my name to e-mail me.

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Re: [I] The British Dream [message #289709 ] Do, 22 Juni 2006 06:38
Elder1  
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 10:57:52 -0400, Torak wrote:

[---8<---]
> And in towns... well, you haven't lived until you've had a mad Belgian
> driver rocket across a red light four inches ahead or behind you,
> leaving a trail of tyre smoke in his wake... ;-)
>
> Or what about the cabs, who think the urban speed limit is a minimum?
Moscow 1978:
Sitting in the back of a taxi while the driver watched the lights... on
the cross-street. The moment they went red, he/we accellerated into the
intersection... and it wasn't just him it was _everyone_

C:\>
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